Is the quota system for higher studies justified?

Do you think the Quota system for higher studies justified?

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Hey Kartik i too know your hinnglish i have good memories of the chat we had that day....... and saying.... abt the solution to such a problem... is not giving reservations at all...... just when you get your admissions done at the college on your merit..... if you are not financially sound the government can help out but well no stinking quotas... for these guyz
as well say this tooo... if they are so backward how the hell the get the big money to pay for the fees........


so i just mean help them financially.. and dont screw other peoples future by the quota system.. many people lose interest bcos ppl tend to continue studying on & on.... and not after trying again and again wen the person has to support his family in a few years time he cannot wait for him to get admission.. and when the family burden comes he stops studying.. and loses the interests in studying.....

P.S: Stop bragging about kartiks english guyz get to the point.. lets get atleast one debate to an end.......
 
Hey Kartik i too know your hinnglish i have good memories of the chat we had that day
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:pound: I couldve just copy paste the chat if i had it stored . Every1 wouldve enjoyed it !!

if they are so backward how the hell the get the big money to pay for the fees........
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Ever heard of the term called LOANS ??

I would like to show another side of the coin. Would a person sitting in the comfort of a air-con all day with the best of the books in hand and the best of the coaches , get good marks ?

OR

A person who toils all day to support his family, studies late nights in the street lights , with limited resources and nil coaching .... score well ??

AND .. if he does put up a competitive score.. who is entitled for the MBA admission ? The rich guy or the poor guy ?

This is the real side.

I would still say, continue with the quota system in govt colleges .

Any counter views ?? :rip:
 
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abt tht chat i wished i had it too.... :p

yup.. i am not biased against financial positiobn of the people taking admissions.. i just say fair play, u get the marks u deserve the seats thats all... i dunt care abt money...
and dude read properly what i have written
just when you get your admissions done at the college on your merit..... if you are not financially sound the government can help out but well no stinking quotas... for these guyz
as well say this tooo... if they are so backward how the hell the get the big money to pay for the fees........
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read and try to understand.. just a moment... these sc / st suppose to be even below the poverty line... heard abt repayment of the damn LOAN.. Interest and all. newayzi dunt werever they get their money from..... i had just plainly said No Quotas and all... and abt financial position.. its just tht if the government wants to help out these classes.. give them financial help..
P.S: 1. Kartik plz read

2 .Money gets u admissions no need to f**k around and argue abt the quota :) then
 
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I would like to show another side of the coin. Would a person sitting in the comfort of a air-con all day with the best of the books in hand and the best of the coaches , get good marks ?

OR

A person who toils all day to support his family, studies late nights in the street lights , with limited resources and nil coaching .... score well ??

AND .. if he does put up a competitive score.. who is entitled for the MBA admission ? The rich guy or the poor guy ?

This is the real side.

I would still say, continue with the quota system in govt colleges .

Any counter views ??
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There.. i made it in bold colour so that you can read properly and give if not competitive then atleast a relevant counter view :)

PS : Using words like F**K does not make your point any stronger .
 
If you put it that way ... ya get sentimental people..... that was so touchy....
i stand by it....u get good marks u get the seat..... no quota even if hell breaks lose.... look at the other side.....

I would like to show another side of the coin. Would a person sitting in the comfort of a air-con all day with the best of the books in hand and the best of the coaches , get good marks ? gets through... courtesy Quota System

OR

A person who toils all day to support his family, studies late nights in the street lights , with limited resources and nil coaching .... score good marks.... ??

AND .. if he puts up a competitive score.. who is entitled for the MBA admission ? The rich guy or the poor guy ?

This is the real side. there are lotsa sides

so the quota or the hard work
 
It wasnt supposed to be sentimental or touchy. Its a fact that you dont want to accept.

If you spend 20k on coaching, get the best of the books and still score a 95 percentile, and

A person in the slums, studies in street lights, with minimum reference material and no coaching at all gets a 90 percentile.

I feel the person in the slums has an edge on you.

BOTTOM LINE : if they are underprivildge , they should get concessions. Hence, Justifying the quota system .

PS : Comeon, you can do better than that karma :)
 
:crazy: The IIM's do not look at how you got your scores.. they just look AT the scores.. u score well... u get seat... you dont score well find another institute........
now as if u looking at tht person in an society wise sentimental way... but i am looking at the facts right now.......

Take this in a sweeter way kartik... the underprivelege guy is ambitious and all... he works hard and gets a pretty good score of 98 percentile.. okkkk and the the other poor guy got a score of 95 percentile but was very hard wrking.. studying like anything day & night and alll the blah blah altogether.. now i say the first guy was not as consistent with his schedule and his studies but was street smart and learnt fast.... so whom should get the seat.....

think about the facts kartik... :boom:
if he doesnt have it in him he wont get the seat.. these entrance tests are conducted so as to give everybody a fair chance...


now a new system is in the pipeline... Heard abt it...
quota system in the corporate world....
i think that is not proper and all think the same, right. bcos we feel the productivity and the efficiency of the company will go down..... so what is the difference ... the same apllies to the (HIGHER STUDIES) education in india...
why to give concessions and get sub standard quality in products as well as service and chance...
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P.S.: kartik think abt it (:dizzy: use it atleast once)
 
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I am sure ppl here after reading these posts know who is NOT using his brains ;) ... I think you have a MAJOR issue of self image.

Anywayz.. Getting into the corporate world, ever heard of concessions for SSI's ??

Why are the small scale industries given concessions to compete with MNC's or Giant firms ? You would say ban that too right ??

I am soo sorry that your tiny size brain doesnt accept that underpriviledged need concession to be at par with people like us who have all the comforts.

The IIM's do not look at how you got your scores.. they just look AT the scores.. u score well... u get seat...
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If that was the case, the quota system question wouldnt arise in the first pleace.

Anywayz, i see the few last posts and i see you are putting the same things without any new comment or point.

So post your concluding comment as we both know that the battle will never end.
 
Kartik please read and understand... we all know whos right and whos wrong.... i know kartik that truth hurts the most thats why you got so hyper :) but listen i am here talking about people not companies... they are completely diffrent.. understand brother. go and read about SSI's and their priveleges..and read about the corporate priveleges. and well why the hell am i having this discussion... its all about people.... not a company.... :focus:
and think abt the intelligence of the person not the financial one...and talk about Quotas of people not concessions that is not relevant...THINK ABOUT PEOPLE IN GENERAL
Last Comment on this thread abt the main topic if no one else post. bcos i dont wanna argue with one person on the same topic i just want hear the issue not a inflated ego problem.


get good scores... no other quota except freedom fighter, defence, handicapped... u work hard u should get a seat... the seat should not go to a person who is just going easy in life or does not have the intelligence and in the end takes the seat with low scores or not enuf good score (courtesy Quota system).. if the person is underprivelege. then financial help is fine.... but no quotas please for higher studies...

and the votes justifies this
the same apllies to the (HIGHER STUDIES) education in india...
why to give concessions and get sub standard quality in products as well as service and chance...
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correction i mean quotas not concessions

and dude lisin stop whining if you cannot win... :pound:(NO COMMENTS):big_grin:

you can never win phschologically against a person who doesnt want to accept his defeat...and learn logic!!!!! (even if he has lost) well i also know what will be the next reply....waiting for the same

p.s. will reply to counter, views on my thinking from some1
 
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you can never win phschologically against a person who doesnt want to accept his defeat...and learn logic!!!!! (even if he has lost)
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So thats wht your shrink said to you ;)

get good scores... no other quota except freedom fighter, defence, handicapped... u work hard u should get a seat... the seat should not go to a person who is just going easy in life or does not have the intelligence and in the end takes the seat with low scores or not enuf good score (courtesy Quota system).. if the person is underprivelege. then financial help is fine.... but no quotas please for higher studies...
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you said yes to the defence, the handicap and freedom fighter ... so we are left with just the backward class quota.

Rest all typed by you is just a blah blah trying to prove your ignorant self otherwise.

Try replying without your smart a** comments about " people " participating because i cannot tolerate non sense and your attitude is getting hissy day by day .
 
I would request all forumites that these sub forum is for debate & discussion. There should be debates relevant to the topic and no personal opinion on fellow forumites shall be exhibited.:focus:
 
heyGuys.......... I have been reading ur posts lately. There is no end to this topic. But the point here is the reservation sysytems for SC/ St's were made back then coz they were completely ignored by the society.These were made for their upliftment.But now things have changed. People r becoming more liberal about their thoughts, views. Before aaproaching a person we dont enquire about a person's whereabouts (whether he is from lower caste or not). So why do we need these reservtions. After all it's rule of life "STRONGEST SURVIVES". What's the use of these reservations and money if u dont have the guts to face the world.
 
Ah! well... nice squeezy fight between Kartik and Karma... It would have been fun to see the fight turn into eye-poking and head-breaking... but alas! i wasn't so lucky... ;)

Neways, i would say that reservation is something which can't be considered. The govt. adopts for reservation just considering the vote bank. But on the contrary, they forget that reservation would only lead to a product from high ranking colleges which would be of mediocre quality. How can u expect the top most B-schools like IIMs to produce the quality they can boast upon.

Another thing is that the only people who benefit from reservation are the rich people in the reserved categories. I say if at all u want to provide them with facilities, give them books, give them free coaching or reduce their fees at the B-schools, but why marring the competition spirit that is present. Entrance exams should be conducted without any holds of reservation so that all the participants can get a fair chance to compete.
 
Hey i think people do understand logic WooOOoo !!! hehehe lol.... nice post gaurav. well gaurav u missed a nice litte verbal fight. kartik and i are staunch enemies but good frriends too. so we may poke your eye and break your head together lol hehehe. just jokin newayz nice point uve got there....
 
HEY All Listen everybody knows whats the news going on TV .. well its abt the quota system.... and we already have discussed abt it. and now we have an online petition which is to be forwarded to the president and the prime minister. please do sign the petition.

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The petition that is being circulated is not going to be forwarded to prime minister and president.

Better yet, email the president and prime minister .

Link below :

Website to mail PRIME MINISTER : http://pmindia.nic.in/write.htm

Website to mail President : http://presidentofindia.nic.in/scripts/writetopresident.jsp
 
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There is a valid point on abolishment of quota system. which did not come on the debate we are having... well these obcs and sc,st etc do get tht quota in higher studies but later down the line they feel inferior to the other meritorius students which affects their morale and self confidence... after sometime they are not able to keep up with studies and drop out..... due to this quota system other deserving students lose out to these quota systems students...
 
QUOTA...supposedly introduced long back for the upliftment of poor..today stands to be the topic which has divided the country and all thanks to the POLITICIANS who would do anything to save their Bread & Butter!

what happened has happened and i dont think any politician or any political party would have the guts to abolish the QOUTA system and NO PRIZES for guess the reason! the least that could be done now is not to introduce any new QUOTA's either in the premier institutes or in the PRIVATE sector.

instead increase the number of schools and colleges. build their infrastructure. let the money not flow in your pockets for a year... and INDIA would be a UNITED & EDUCATED country.

regards...
-vipin.
 
Well India is the only country where people proudly says they r from lower caste.
This quota system can only make this rift wider.Govt should think logically that in the race of winning votes they r leading this country towards discrimination.
Issue could b addressed but problem is no one on the other side is willing to understand!!
 
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