OBC reservations is it justified??

Shrinjoy

Shrinjoy

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Hey friends,
This is one of the most serious issue we are facing at this point of time..so i thought of starting this thread in the BIG FIGHT...

So are OBC reservations justified??
In my point of view they arent...right from my 10th std and i am sure there r more ppl who will agree wid me tht we r facing competition not only wid the bright students but also frm the students who score less than us still they r in level or rather above our level to secure admissions in good colleges..it happend in 10th thn our CCEE wherein OBC SC ppl scoring one mark also was given admissions to college like HR, Jai Hind n wut we need to do is slog our days n nights to secure admission in such colleges...I hoped aftr my graduation i wouldnt b facing such competition but BAM!! came the order of the Central government for the reservation n BAM!! we r in a same situation,a catch 22 situation wherein 27% of the seats will now b reserved for the OBCs in almost all the B-Schools including the IIM...soo now 50% is reserved for the OBCs SCs NTs n the remaining 50% for us...I mean wtf!! is happening to our system is this justified??arent the brightest of the Indian minds shud b leading India or students wid low caliber,abilities,traits,leadership qualities will lead India in the comin future...
Frm 50 yrs now this situation is prevelent in our country...reservations to SCs OBCs r not makin a difference in the scenario..they r still backward n ignorent abt the country's development..rather than the politicians bitching abt each other in the parliament..they need to focus on their developments rather than comin out wid shit bills like these...Our constitution states tht we r a secular country...but we dont c any secularism..Reservations n quotas prove these tht we r now alien to our LAND..politicians gain the maximum from this as they r gettin their votes based on such sucky bills...wut abt our future,our well-being, aint the government worried abt us...nearly 2 LAKH aspirents will give CAT this yr n i guess roughly 1.5 LAKH will fight for the 50% of the seats..doesnt the government think abt it...aint a debate necessary wid the media wid the general public???
We cant revolt against the tyrranic rule coz hell noone is listening....those ****ers can debate for 25 yrs fr the women reservation in the parliament n legislative assembly coz their seats r in danger...but they r not willing to fight fr our seats,our rights...Is this DEMOCRACY??? Do we cast our votes to face this from our elected government...
We dont have any options left..we need to flee frm this country wherein the leaders of our own country backstabs us fr casting our valuable votes...all the political parties r responsible fr it...plzz guys hope u lend us support to fight fr our fundamental rights...
 
Well shrinjoy, i respect ur sentiments and i can see that u r very angry with the bill.... I too feel the same.

I think quota system actually mar the word 'competition' and is like a hard slap on the face. The politicians do this mainly their vote banks and hence it is the junta's responsibility to voice their opinion against such hypocriticism.

Making reservations in b-schools and then talking of the best brains in the country in complete hogwash. Secondly, reservation for the faculty is also meaningless because if u don't have that kind of expertise in teaching, then forget about producing world-class managers. Hence such bills are pure crap

i agree that there are sections of the society that have been left out and hence they need support and for that many aids can be given like reduction in fees, free books, free coaching etc so that they have the same facilities as their well-off counterparts, but making reservations and saying that they would have to be inducted whether they have the aptitude for it or not, is beyond reason.
 
This is one of the best blogs I've come across with regards to the reservation issue...

Here it is...

At the outset, let me state this - by birth (and to a great extent by upbringing) I am a Brahmin. I was born with the privilege of being born into a family with considerable socio-intellectual capital. So it would be easy to read anything that I write on the OBC reservations issue, as something that comes without the insight of belonging to a certain community.

However, let's say we put aside this issue of reservations for OBCs and the already existing quota for SC / STs. Suppose I pick up the issue reservations in higher education for women. As a woman and a practicing feminist - who is very passionate about getting women into the best of institutes and opening up more opportunities for them - I should support reservations for them right?

Wrong. Some reasons why.

1. The Usual Suspect: Given stereotyping and traditional barriers, if I am a woman in a particular setting, it is often suspected that I got there through favours. This favour by the government is no less. Regardless of what merit I may possess, the suspect factor remains that I got there through other means. Even if it is a legitimate way to enter - it is sends signals about my merit. Whatever social capital I may appear to gain, it is overshadowed by the constant doubt over my merit. It also makes ALL women appear suspect. Irrespective of how they got there. Merit or Reservation (partial merit?).

2. The Usual Beneficiary: Higher Education in India is not the preserve of those with money. Money is usually not a barrier. Suppose I was 16 and studying for the JEE. What I really need is good quality coaching. God knows that the CBSE and State Board seem inadequate. I would really appreciate if interest groups pushed for bridge classes to overcome the entry barrier, instead of institutionalizing mechanism that help override the entry point. I would already have to some of the economic capital if I have been able to study till the 12th grade. If loans are available at extremely low interest rates, and payable over long periods of time - I have a feeling a woman would benefit far more than her being plonked into an institute where she's unable to cope with the subject matter. Moreover, it's likely that a woman like me who comes from a privileged background who will end up using this quota.

3. The Gap: If Education at the same institute is such an equalizer, why have reservations at the Under Graduate level? If all these kids have cleared their Class 12 examinations and are at the same educational level - why the need to lower the cut-off for one section? Even more shocking - why would the women need reservations at the Post Graduate level? Wouldn't three to four years of the same education, additional bridge courses etc. have pushed the men and women to a level playing field based on merit?

4. Universalizing Primary Education: Education. Primary Education. The government makes feeble attempts at universalizing primary education and FAILS. It's been failing consistently since 1947. It's the worst report card a country can produce - that most of the country still can't read it. The issue with primary education is that it is so centralized, that it's difficult to hold an absentee or inefficient teacher responsible. The teacher in a school is simply not answerable to the community.

Suppose a teacher discriminates against girls in a government school - the parents have no choice! Now the government either needs to clear up its act and decentralize schooling and education, or it needs to give more impetus to private schools. Every state perhaps cannot do a Himachal Pradesh, or a Kerala and maybe condemned to a cycle of inefficiency that means poor education, high drop out rates with far more heavy consequences for historically weaker sections like women. (hint!)

If you tell me that private schools are expensive - think again. The market forces are not allowed to operate. If enough parents feel that the teacher discriminates against girls in a private school - chances are that another private player will recognize the gap - and start a school that is more gender sensitive. I understand that this school, in an ideal situation need not be gender-blind. The school will need to reach out to parents to convince them to continue in the school. (Which school wouldn't want fees the next year?) The school has further reasons to push parents to send their girls to college. Because earning women make a better case for the school to urge all parents to send their girls to school. If the fees do not appear to go down despite schools competing for children, well, in that case - let their be an open system where you apply to the government for scholarships. The government employees god-knows-how-many community workers, block resource centre workers etc in any case. Put them to some use! Either case, the government technically is supposed to monitor the progress of each child under the ICDS (Integrated Child Development Scheme) - let health workers report on a regular basis about who they can afford education.

A girl will never be able to well in an IIT or in DU, unless her fundamental knowledge is clear. That knowledge is built over the many years through primary and secondary education. The government must then identify situation where market forces do not see adequate incentives and provide the incentives. The private schooling sector at the primary level can be and is regulated. The schools can still be answerable to government institutions that set standards for examination and progress-reporting.

5. Services: The government charges for a million services for women. Make sure the women actually access these services. If women charge these services (which they indirectly pay for) they resolve many of the issues that solutions like reservation attempt to address.

6. Time Bound: At what point will we establish that women and men are capable of generating similar socio-economic capital? Or that, irrespective of that capital - they will be able to leverage opportunities? When do we make the transition from "positive discrimination" to "positive action"? How do you arrive at that figure? How will you ever calculate? How will you measure when the impact of patriarchy has weakened enough for women to not need the quota?

7. Stop Gap: Working on systemic inefficiencies is far more difficult. But any other solution is a stop gap arrangement. It will never resolve the problems of the next generation. The government is distracting you from far greater issues affecting women. Property rights, political, civil, economic and rights over the person to start with. Oh, and how about opening more colleges to begin with. Why do so many people have to compete for such a small number of seats even at the undergraduate level?

8. Rights: Yes. It's against the rights of a man to be discriminated against because of the fact that he is a man. It's precisely the way women have been discriminated against always. I have no wish to perpetuate the system that is built on letting the divide be intact. A system need not be gender blind to be gender sensitive. The needs are different but need not be satisfied at the cost of the rights of the other. While patriarchy has traditionally favoured men, reservation is essentially a patriarchal solution. Oppressing is not the way out of oppression. Rights are to protect the vulnerable not to pander to them.

9. It's insulting: Don't favour me because I am a woman. Favour me because I am smarter, more intelligent and more capable. If I am as smart as the man. Treat me as an equal. Give me the same opportunity. Give me a loan to set up my business, don't bloody walk into my shop and tell me that you are going to run it for me because I can't do it for myself.
 
As per government of india 80% of population of india belongs to OBC, so to resolve the issue of reservation in my opinion, i would rather plead to Prime Minister of india to increase the reservation quota to 100% for OBC at the Same time revise the list for OBC category list by putting the remaining 20% of open category into OBC category so their problem is also solved and Open category problem is also solved no Need fight then.
 
this wont help out. by saying it amongst ourself it will just anger us more. politicians will not agree to that.:SugarwareZ-203:
 
No child born India should be deprived of basic education under any circumstances. Every one should be provided with same level playing field, but I don't encourage reservations based on caste religion sex etc. economically backward people should be provided with aides, subsidies etc. to encourage for continuing their education. All people born normally with no physical and mental deformities requires no reservations if they are poor proper aids/scholarships should be given.
 
In my view there shud be ryts for everyone. since they were born wid such an caste n culture doesnt mean we should get rid of them. they are not getting oppurtunities too.
Government is taking some step to help them and then again we people try to go against them.Does this will help India to grow n was it for this reason we are called as a secular and independent country.
Guys its a good step and should be followed

thats my view

thank you
 
Hi,
I do feel reservations are required but thet just can be on the basis of caste,there are so many so called lower caste ppl who have used res. and are enjoying a really high social status.So for ones who hav used it once,their family must not be allowed to further make use of res.It shud rather be on economic basis.
 
Supporting backward classes is understandable, but it should not be at the cost of the bright and meritorious students who is not getting what they actually deserve. And henceforth our country is loosing much more than what the people are loosing.
 
Ya it is very much justified so that weaker section can get
more and more opportunities to grow in the society
 
The upper class communities are enjoying with the wealth, health and educational background vide their 100% reservation for the past 5000 years. It is suggested that they should return the land, money and all other benefits that is because of Brahminical reservation through Manusmriti. The so called merit class (5%)never allowed this nation to be a superpower in the past 5000 years when the reseration was only for them. The upper class percentage in Govt till 1985 was 90% in class 1 and uper poasts. As a result India had to beg to the World Bank and the IMF. The post Independence reservation policy was never implemented and the backlog was upto 70% till 1989. If anybody want to say that because of reservation India could not preogress, then question comes in mind, even if the 18% reservation is fully implemented in that case these reserved employees decide the efficiency of Government! Remaining so called 78% becomed duffers as they are not the deciding factor for efficient governence!! After 1947 how many medal these merit class have won in Olympic?? If they need time for this then why it is not allowed to those people who have been cheated for years????????
 
An Indian Brahmin is the beautiful example of This. How they became multimillionaire by cheating and begging? The Whole IAS lobbly right from 1947 was dominated by Btahmins who cheated the Government and looted the Money. A case study will show how many IAS officers helped their children and relatives to start industries from the money they grabbed due to their chair. It will be interesting to know that their children either became businessmen or joined IAS service! It is said that The Iteview (Dont laugh) of such exams is a tough barrier to join this cadre. From ancient time the business of Brahmin was begging ( So much Hard Work). Thus the Indian beurocrats kept on begging to the World Bank and IMF. Again the money was diverted to their homes. Youth for equalit is fighting against reservation, Remarkable. ppl from IIM and s/w schools are getting tons of Rs. N problem. No envy. Why the tons r not paid to the farmers of India? Dont they work for more than 1n 12 hrs in their farms? How much they get for such work in US, UK and Australlia? Why the payment structure of these countries is offered to BIZ ppl ( and S/W pl) only? Do u want that Indian farmers shal grow for themselves and rest shall import food from US? How do u like it? Even TATA, Bajaj and other corporates have enjoyed reservation in India for yrs. Now they are able to run on their own feet. Why do we hide these things? How Ambani has fingured to BSNL schemes to launch Reliance communication when Pramod Mahajan was Minister of communication? Is this the merit u wanna refer to? India as a nation cannot progress with bunch of ppl riding in a motorboat while others in old Yacht. Merit is nothing but opportunities because of the benfits of last 5000 yrs. Many of us do not know the meaning of IIM, CET, JEE etc. They do not have previledge to have first hand information for betterment of their career. Can there be a race in such a scenario? Power cut is more than 18 hrs for rural areas whereas it is almost nil in cities like Mumbai and Pune. Why? The rural Bharat is not a part of this great nation or what? ppl like u are just buzz of print and electronic media. They do not know the real picture of real India. The definition of superpower is limited to urban areas only where max no of higher caste ppl stay. sorry, but this is the simpple and naked truth which everybody wants to hide. Yes REservation is justified
Now it is clear form the higher caste mentality that they are least bothered about BHARAT. Right from 1947 we have Brahmin Prime Minister and chief Ministers. The standard of education in rural india is a gift of such rascals. They have protected vasted interest of TATA, Bajaj and other Biz tikoons. Cong and BJP are funded by these Mafias and the Goverments are managed by such bastards. (Sorry for the bad words, but u really understand this language only and we have tons of such words in our stock!). Hence the real Bharat ppl will rule ths nation. We shal have reservation in Judiciary also. So No Sanjay Dutt, Salman Khan will escap in near fuure. The hawala case will not be terminated. Jaylalitha can escape today but no other person will dare to loot the nation. Farmers will grow food for their family only. Let the selfish and self centred population die. No matter. The have damaged enough to this nation. environment, lifestyle and culture also. This MTV and FTV generation shall die. Their suisides are justified. These bastards enjoy reservation in US for minority where the black have reservation in industry, business also. Companies like FORD have to place 40% orders on black. The same FORD is liked by our great MERIT ppl in India. fuck to these shameless ppl who r crying for equality.
 
Yes. It's against the rights of a man to be discriminated against because of the fact that he is a man. It's precisely the way women have been discriminated against always. I have no wish to perpetuate the system that is built on letting the divide be intact. A system need not be gender blind to be gender sensitive. The needs are different but need not be satisfied at the cost of the rights of the other. While patriarchy has traditionally favoured men, reservation is essentially a patriarchal solution. Oppressing is not the way out of oppression. Rights are to protect the vulnerable not to pander to them.
 
The basic idea for reservation was concieved to uplift the social status of the needy (back ward classes). I believe as a nation we have deviated from this social idea and made it rather a political agenda or Vote bank politics.

Reservation is required no doubt about that. A weaker section needs a hand from the stronger section of the society and thats how you balance the disparity. Having said that the reservation should not be based on caste/creed or religion. The sole criteria should be economic status. A economically unsound upper caste person requires reservation more than an well to do OBC person.
 
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