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suttaboy

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Well, I know that all junta who have opened up this thread would wonder "What is wrong with this guy.... Its an insane question..... Who doesnt know that corruption is bad and needs to be totally driven out.And that is a known fact. Why does this guy wanna start this useless thread" Well, since I wrote this above statement and given that I know all this, now you must be wondering probably this is some thing different. Well, you're right.

This is a lil sensitive issure. I know corruption is bad and all that normal jargon stuff about it affecting people and all that. Well, I am not totally against corruption. Well, it should not affect normal people. That form of corruption is derogatory- I agree. But lemme ask you.This is a specifc example and obviously in a country of over a billion people , there would be atleast one guy whom i will be able to model like the following.

Consider a person who has studied hard, worked hard , made a lot of money and wants to invest on some business in INDIA. Well, I know quite a bit on some of the business legislations and rules in the country and they are totally illogical and unreasonalbe. Some arbit person has created the rules in some arbit manner which totally takes the interest of investing out of the investor. Obviously, if he invests in a very good business , a lot of people will get good out of the process. But then, some of the legislations strictly discourage investment. Or even, say some officers ask for bribe. This guy know that it is wrong to bribe. He has two options. One is , he could go to the judiciary and demand justice. Well, in that case, may be the court would probably make provisions so that he could invest SUBJECTED TO THE EXISTING RULES, which would again bring him back to the original position. Obviously, the court does not have the power to change ALL the dump illogical rules. So if he feels that the oppurtunity cost in investing a little in the bribe (which in no way does harm to a lay man, but may b even could do him good) is not much , and say he invests considering that it is part of his initial investment, can you actually blame him? I would say no. It is the duty of the country to support him in every possible way.

REMEMBER: I AM ALWAYS AGAINST ANY SORT OF CORRUPTION THAT HURTS THE COMMON MAN....

Well, this is also corruption right?
but then. can u actually blame him.If corruption makes it not possible for a mother to buy food for her child, that should definitely be avoided. But then, if it does not affect a normal person, what is the matter.?

One interesting question that you could probably come up is that if corruption of that sort is encouraged, would that not be like encouraging the bribe takers to ask more money to every individual? Well, yes..... In that case, it is negative and that needs to be discussed. ? Post your opinions regarding this.

Please dont keep blabbering about the same corruptionis against country and all that normal fart. Be precise and give your opinions , if possible with special reference to the above story......
 
Nice post friend
Now i think that corruption in any way is wrong and unethical ya its true that corruption is every where and even you and i have sometime given bribe. Its becoming a habit of Indians and we are among the most corrupted countries list. Its a matter of shame for us corruption give birth to many other problems like black money making, doing illegal activities etc. Specially when we consider govt offices there is nothing or we can say that you cannot get a file moved from one table to another without bribe.
Situation is also getting worst even today private companies try to give bribe to get tenders in their favor.

I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ANY TYPE OF CORRUPTION BECAUSE CORRUPTION IS CORRUPTION WHETHER IT IS FOR RIGHT OR WRONG CAUSE
 
suttaboy said:
If corruption makes it not possible for a mother to buy food for her child, that should definitely be avoided. But then, if it does not affect a normal person, what is the matter.?

One interesting question that you could probably come up is that if corruption of that sort is encouraged, would that not be like encouraging the bribe takers to ask more money to every individual? Well, yes..... In that case, it is negative and that needs to be discussed. ?
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Hey friend, you seem to be fickle minded putting fwd this discussion.

What i can understand you trying to say is that one must support corruption if it doesnt harm him/her. Well, if one does so it simply means he is encouraging illegality. Is it right to encourage illegality just for the sake of your own benefit. What about others ?? You may give him say 1 lac for initial investment. He may demand 2 lacs from others and so on. You stay contented that you made a healthy cheap deal but again what about others !! Its a disease which keeps on spreading till the roots of a person.

I simply dont support corruption in any way (good/bad), be it dowry, bribe for jobs or admissions in colleges or for any damn thing.

Coming back to practicality, people do so just as you said for their own benefits. We think about ourselves and our family. Better to grab these people from collar and show them a good time rather than bribing them.

Lets c what ppl have to say about this.
 
What i can understand you trying to say is that one must support corruption if it doesnt harm him/her. Well, if one does so it simply means he is encouraging illegality. Is it right to encourage illegality just for the sake of your own benefit. What about others ??
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Let me be clear on that part. I did not mean harm to "him\her" in your reply as the individual who is giving the bribe. I meant the laymen. Lemme explain. You might be able to relate this example to an incident that occured in a temple in Inidia.( atleast this is what i think happened).. Lets say we have a very famous renowned family. They want to visit a famous temple. However, the temple is always crowded to an extent that the family feels they cant go inside. So probably, with their influence (bribe or what ever), they arrange security so that a commoner cannot get in. Only the family gets in. I mean they might have had a day out of it. But normal people are hurt. This sort of activity should be totally avoided. That is clear from my first post.

What I meant if it was not clear is that it shouldnt hurt others
 
corruption in any way stinks...y don't we control the root cause and eliminate it,if there's no stinky law then there will be no reason for corruption 2 prevail .as far as temple or some other place's situation is there we can control it 2 by taking strict measures..heeh..COMMUNIST reign is the answer to this question ya it is.. whether anybody likes it or not...the bitter truth is that the communist nations are much more developed than the secular.
 
may be ur frnd works for the government ya right that's y u took up this topic didn't u...bina chai piye kaam karo samjhe
 
suttaboy said:
So probably, with their influence (bribe or what ever), they arrange security so that a commoner cannot get in. Only the family gets in. I mean they might have had a day out of it. But normal people are hurt. This sort of activity should be totally avoided. That is clear from my first post.

What I meant if it was not clear is that it should'nt hurt others
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You saying it was a FAMOUS RENOWNED FAMILY so i think they are bound to get a VIP security. They dont necessarily need to bribe anyone.
Moreover, why will common people be stopped on this rich family's arrival. Temples (say siddhivinayak) do have separate entrance for VIPs. Since you not sure about the incident so i said that.

More appropriate example which illustrates your point - If a traffic policeman fines me for breaking signal but he do not fine a guy who is the son of a minister (because he bribes him or his influence). Dats certainly wrong.
But one cant really help it man. Bloody whole system from top to bottom is like that. Corruption @ all levels is bad and should strictly be stopped and discouraged.
 
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against it, india lies behind bcs of this and one shud nvr breed corruption like our politicians,
corruption has become part of our culture,remove the vils and c heaven on earth
 
I'd say a very interesting topic put up for debate. It reminds me of a topic opened earlier in general discussions forum asking "What does an MBA do?"

Such discussions have varied opinions and as someone rightly said back in time "Nothing is right or wrong. Everything depends on the variable of POWER"
 
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