Business Schools OR Backward Schools?

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gaurav200x

Gaurav Mittal
Ok, we have had tonnes of threads on love, and sexuality and pornography and all social issues. But now lets get some perspective on what this forum is really about... MANAGEMENT

As you might be knowing that the condition of the Indian B-schools is really pathetic. Even the top cadre ones are not different from this. For instance, the ones like IIM-C are pretty old and need some big time infrastructural reconstruction.

There are so many B-schools in the country such that some of them even seem like mini flats, while many names are not even heard.

These are not the only things.... the professors, esp the PhDs in IIMs are very poorly paid, while his colleague in some foreign university might be earning 3-4 times more than him.

I remember reading an article by Mr. Ajit Balakrishnan, CEO, Rediff.com of how we felt meeting his teacher, an ex-IIM-C professor, suffering from cancer and unable to afford medical expenditures.

So is that the condition of the producers of one of the world-class managers?

Why do people prefer to join some foreign B-school instead of their own country, when they know its far easier to study in India than abroad?

How would you, as a dean of a B-school like ur B-school to be?

Let's discuss whether these so called B-schools are really Business Schools or Backward Schools, what they lack and what can be done to make them top-class in true sense.

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Do a nice google search. Find out all relevant information and facts & figures. A healthy discussion is one where all the participants are well informed.
 
Well, 6 days, and absolutely nobody considers replying to this thread...

Although I have a long list of things I'd like to change about the way B-schools function in India, something which needs to be addressed immediately is the Government interference in the B-schools' administration.

Most, if not all, of the schools abroad are granted total autonomy by the Government.....which means they are free to focus on their core competence, which is providing the best of education to their students, and become a fertile breeding ground to the world's best brains. On the contrary, every school in India has to tow the Government's line when it comes to making important decisions - even something like the cadre of students to be inducted, what with all the reservations and stuff....which in my opinion deserves a separate thread by itself. While the top schools aren't running short on funds for upgrading their infrastructure, the smaller ones depend on the Government to provide financial aid to them.

It's interesting to note that even the successful industries in India thrived in spite of the Government, and not because of it. The IT sector is booming purely because the Government stepped out of the way, and let the companies do their thing. Now even that is under threat, what with the ever increasing taxes and cesses applied to increase revenue for the Government.

Bottomline - get the Govt. out of the way, grant the schools complete autonomy...if you have to regulate something, regulate the fee structure. Only then can we hope for true innovation to thrive and succeed in Indian B-Schools.

:aj:
 
Very sound post dude.... I think the first thing the B-schools require is a free hand to operate. So, what should the govt. do is to encourage them, give requisite aid. What these half-read politicians do is mess up with the structure of the B-school. after all who would be knowing more about management... the people who are running the school or some politician who doesn't know the ABC of management.

There have been many examples, like AJ quotes that privatization helps. It makes them more competent. The govt. should stop messing with the conduct of the B-schools to stop this brain drain from happening.
 
Hey Guys!! As the IIMs have been started up by the Central Govt, the govt would have a say in the management. and i feel if its privatized or something, the fees will also rise simultaneously!! Though the govt interference is a sad thing.. Especially on the account of quotas coming in, the B-Schools are going to experience a big brain drain(like this year)..
 
rejoice_success said:
Hey Guys!! As the IIMs have been started up by the Central Govt, the govt would have a say in the management. and i feel if its privatized or something, the fees will also rise simultaneously!! Though the govt interference is a sad thing.. Especially on the account of quotas coming in, the B-Schools are going to experience a big brain drain(like this year)..
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There is something that comes in between privatisation and govt. holding... and that is autonomous. The govt. can have the control but the functioning and most of the decisions should be taken by that body. However, considering the fact that things like reservation only degrades the quality of merit, hence such decisions should not be taken by the govt. but by the intelligentsia
 
iim as was enjoying autonomous state still paid less , so why and government has to about any thing.we all know no one wants to pay any one more.
 
helpme said:
iim as was enjoying autonomous state still paid less , so why and government has to about any thing.we all know no one wants to pay any one more.
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I think IIMs were able to channelize their funds from fees and grants and hence i don't think they suffer from any problems related to funds. I think due consideration should be given to proper planning. This should include proper pay scales and infrastructure improvements, wherever needed.
 
hii everyone...
the topic is completely in sync with the need of the hour.BUT b'fore i proceed am jus curious to know why everyone of us is talking abt IIM only???tthat itself is responsible for the pathetic condition of management institutes in india.yy still we feel that IIM nahee to kuch nahee!!! jus have a gud search u will find many other insti equally if nt better than IIMs.
nw back to the topic , autonomy is certainly in best interest of the institute as then it will then solely be performance based!! although fee wud be a hitch but no insti will let the seats vacant if its running fr profit so we will have equally gud competitors in the market.yaa thats the funda- make it an education market,let the best cme our and wrst insti drop down..( i hpe u understand wat i mean!!)BUT the overall accreditation should be kept with AICTE.and should be renewed every 2 yr ( batch wise).
this one is acc to me( individual view)
the bsic thing that we lack is " proper field exposure" in the tarining. although we do have summer trainings and interns... but of no use, whn the organization doesn't pay any heed to ur skill development! i mean wat u expect frm a fresher to learn abt mgmt by her/his own if there is no one to guide him fr 1st instance!!!the best way is PPO....let the companies decide on sm criteria b'fore tarining...so taht those 2-6 mnths don't go in vain!!!
there is no use of mugging up kotler or roberts if u dn't get a chance to execute the same!! the real learning is always far different frnm the class room teaching....thats y we all have to delearn many things once we get into jobs!!!
take care
anu
 
anu shukla said:
hii everyone...
the topic is completely in sync with the need of the hour.BUT b'fore i proceed am jus curious to know why everyone of us is talking abt IIM only???tthat itself is responsible for the pathetic condition of management institutes in india.yy still we feel that IIM nahee to kuch nahee!!! jus have a gud search u will find many other insti equally if nt better than IIMs.
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Hi Anu,
the talk was not just on one topic... nor particularly on IIMs but IIMs are the premier institute which actually show-case quality management studies in India. Hence, until the item in the show-case is attractive, no one would be interested in the rest.

Hence, the topic was brought forward, pertaining to IIMs, foremost in mind.

nw back to the topic , autonomy is certainly in best interest of the institute as then it will then solely be performance based!! although fee wud be a hitch but no insti will let the seats vacant if its running fr profit so we will have equally gud competitors in the market.yaa thats the funda- make it an education market,let the best cme our and wrst insti drop down..( i hpe u understand wat i mean!!)BUT the overall accreditation should be kept with AICTE.and should be renewed every 2 yr ( batch wise).
this one is acc to me( individual view)
the bsic thing that we lack is " proper field exposure" in the tarining. although we do have summer trainings and interns... but of no use, whn the organization doesn't pay any heed to ur skill development! i mean wat u expect frm a fresher to learn abt mgmt by her/his own if there is no one to guide him fr 1st instance!!!the best way is PPO....let the companies decide on sm criteria b'fore tarining...so taht those 2-6 mnths don't go in vain!!!
there is no use of mugging up kotler or roberts if u dn't get a chance to execute the same!! the real learning is always far different frnm the class room teaching....thats y we all have to delearn many things once we get into jobs!!!
take care
anu
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What u said is very correct... I think the problems can be segmented into various sections. One could be related to infrastructure, one could be related to pay package of the teachers and opportunities, one could be related to reservations, etc. while one could be how IIMs and other institutes provide facilities in terms of teaching and other aids.

I would say that some institutes lack in some while others lack in some other. Eg. Most of the priivate institutes have a good amount spent in the infrastructure, and hence keep their buildings top-notch.

IIMs on the other hand try to provide better faculty and opportunities. The aid one gets here certainly contrasts the private ones.

I am really happy that more and more management students are coming forward with their view points. Like this we can have a general idea of what is expected by the student fraternity from the Business schools.
 
everythin should b standardised and govt should tie up wid intl inst and promote student xchange so that ideas flow in and out
 
@ gaurav: thanks fr recognizing the effforts!!ahhah!!
ok nw back to the topic!!
one thing which am noticing frm past few post is that often we are citing the huge salary differences as a major problem:
i would like to cite an important example from a private management institute only that they ahve only 35% of permanent staff including faculty which are found to be best in their respective fields. they are given enough freedom to hold as many workshops or lecture seminars in other schools also( their way of generating income) side by side they are also involved in many government projects. so if we see the basic in hand tahts much more tahn the salary they are getting at the insti....
rest 65% faculty is brought down as guest faculty only.fr further future queries, their e-mails and contact numbers are displayed fr students use!!!students are asked fr their honest feedback in written afetr completion of respective module and taken seriously by management so as to call taht faculty next time or not! also if students complain inbetween also there is always a provision of arranging an alternate faculty.it has many avantages:

students get best of faculty fr teaching as there is certain criteria on whom shud they call!
if faculty nt found apt. then insti need nt to bear with the same!
as students have a major saying in these decisions, they truly value the money & give honest feedbacks..

many a times faculty who are given good rating by consecutive batches is taken as permanent.

thats hw they maintain the brand image of the institute!!!

take care
anu
 
gaurav200x said:
Ok, we have had tonnes of threads on love, and sexuality and pornography and all social issues. But now lets get some perspective on what this forum is really about... MANAGEMENT

As you might be knowing that the condition of the Indian B-schools is really pathetic. Even the top cadre ones are not different from this. For instance, the ones like IIM-C are pretty old and need some big time infrastructural reconstruction.

There are so many B-schools in the country such that some of them even seem like mini flats, while many names are not even heard.

These are not the only things.... the professors, esp the PhDs in IIMs are very poorly paid, while his colleague in some foreign university might be earning 3-4 times more than him.

I remember reading an article by Mr. Ajit Balakrishnan, CEO, Rediff.com of how we felt meeting his teacher, an ex-IIM-C professor, suffering from cancer and unable to afford medical expenditures.

So is that the condition of the producers of one of the world-class managers?

Why do people prefer to join some foreign B-school instead of their own country, when they know its far easier to study in India than abroad?

How would you, as a dean of a B-school like ur B-school to be?

Let's discuss whether these so called B-schools are really Business Schools or Backward Schools, what they lack and what can be done to make them top-class in true sense.

Tip:
Do a nice google search. Find out all relevant information and facts & figures. A healthy discussion is one where all the participants are well informed.
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well i did quite a lot of research n i would any day go for business schools in india studyin der n working here does no good n moreover dey need 4 yrs degree course n 2 yrs experience in dat time i cann finish ma studies n start wid a good pay
 
aarti_samant said:
well i did quite a lot of research n i would any day go for business schools in india studyin der n working here does no good n moreover dey need 4 yrs degree course n 2 yrs experience in dat time i cann finish ma studies n start wid a good pay
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Hey, good suggestions out here.... but I need more inputs from this MBA community.

So guys, keep pouring in your thoughts.
 
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