ISB ( Indian schools of Business )

hmm... this occured to me in a GD when the topic for discussion was indian primary education system . We were discussing what can be done to improve it , my suggestion was to create schools of business..

Now as we know there are so many child labourers in our country , bcos of the fact that govt. defines a child labourer as one who is engaged in " hazardous activity " their actual numbers are somewhere around twice the govt. estimates. It is a real struggle to provide for their quality education as they have to provide for themselves ... my suggestion was have schools for them where they could work as well as study ... the school can be residential where the time could be divided b/ween classes and the students working in different fields like handicrafts , rug making , making FMCG goods etc. i.e. non hazardardous goods according to their interests , some students may be interested in woodworking , so they could do that ....and so on ..... Now these items could be sold in nearby markets , or as in the case of handicrafts exported .... themoney earned frm that could turn the school into a self sustaining unit ... the management of the school and the business could be shared by the teachers as well as the students ... all would be stakeholders and all will get a share of the profits... the logistics , maufacturing and mkting could all be taken care of by the students themselves , remember that we are talking abt street smart kids here , who have had to fend for themselves ever since they opened their eyes.... this way we can create enterprenurs out of them , cos after their schooling they can pass straight on to the business world or keep doing what they would be good at by then ...... so we are literally creating schools of business...

Since the schools would be self sufficient they would be free frm govt. interference , all u need is a bit of seed money , the operations will be labour intensive , the key here is to find untapped business areas which are suited for this kind of production.....

due to lack of patience i have not proceeded with the modalities of the idea , wl do it in the next post , i havnt proofread this either , so allow for the spelling mistakes ... tear the idea apart , what we are looking for holes in the idea ... forget the modalities , wl try and go into that in the next post ...
cheers
CS
 
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Very creative.. excellent idea....

1 downfall i can think of right now is that goods made from such schools cannot be exported as firangee countries are against child labour.

Even our country is against child labour .

Having such schools where students can make a living is encouraging child labour.

Now, many families below poverty line restrict themselves from having more kids because they cant afford to support them.

Having a chain of such kindof schools will blast the population level by leaps and bounds .

My suggestion would be to get companies to set up such schools.. the students who learn there after they graduate, are obliged to work there for atleast that much period of time till they return the company for their education fees with interest of that many years.. then they may or maynot work with the same company.

This way the companies hr is also taken care of.
 
kartik said:
Very creative.. excellent idea....

1 downfall i can think of right now is that goods made from such schools cannot be exported as firangee countries are against child labour.

Even our country is against child labour .
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Well kartik, if u must know, that it is not necessary that the products be sold by kids. The country is against child labour, because then they can't get the children to study. However, in such a system, the children are earning and studying. So even the parents won't hesitate tp send them to such working schools.
kartik said:
Having such schools where students can make a living is encouraging child labour.

Now, many families below poverty line restrict themselves from having more kids because they cant afford to support them.

Having a chain of such kindof schools will blast the population level by leaps and bounds .
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Buddy, child labour is already there in our country. There is nothing u can do to proliferate it!! Rather u can do something to imrpove its status quo. The parents are reluctant to send their kids to schools, bcoz they think that sending them to schools would be a waste and they would rather earn their livelihood at the same time. However, such an ideal would appease them and they would send them to the schools after all.

kartik said:
My suggestion would be to get companies to set up such schools.. the students who learn there after they graduate, are obliged to work there for atleast that much period of time till they return the company for their education fees with interest of that many years.. then they may or maynot work with the same company.

This way the companies hr is also taken care of.
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Welcome the idea would be ok, depending on what exactly u mean. If u're talking about an MNC.. then, forget it. They always look for their own vested interests. On the contrary, a new company brand can be formed of these schools. They would act as a non-profit org, except for utilizing some part of the money to improve their infrastructure and give salaries to instructures. Donations and charities from the govt. and industrialists would also encourage....

I think, beta duryodhan, has really come out with a gr8 idea and if implemented... can be used to solve the child labour problem, to a gr8 extent!!! :thumb:
 
Deprivation from education is not the only factor due to which child labour is opposed.

Concentrate on the term " CHILD LABOUR ". First of all its a child, his brain needs to be nurtured in a certain fashion which is a mix of play , fun, sports and education.

Labour is certainly not the right thing at that age. Not benificial for his mental or physical development.

I feel, evn if given a opportunity, a child would not like to study after tedious hours of work
 
kartik said:
Deprivation from education is not the only factor due to which child labour is opposed.

Concentrate on the term " CHILD LABOUR ". First of all its a child, his brain needs to be nurtured in a certain fashion which is a mix of play , fun, sports and education.

Labour is certainly not the right thing at that age. Not benificial for his mental or physical development.

I feel, evn if given a opportunity, a child would not like to study after tedious hours of work
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Well Kartik,
u have to understand it this way... the problem of child labour was there, is there and would be... U make laws, publicize them, preach them, motivate them, do whatever u want... u can't abolish it. It is the truth... hardcore reality!!

The thing is, the reason, i listed out was the prime of all them and accounts for the max %age. Now, what we want? We have opened up free primary schools, yet the %age of such people is very less... why? bcoz they still feel that even though it is free, they would lose an earning member of the house.

Now think of it,... when a child is being sent to such a school... i wouldnt call it a Business School, per se, but more of a training centre... a child is able to get a wholesome... he is able to earn his living, study, play and develop... and enjoy the company of other such children.

Think of those who go for part-time work. Those who slave from morning to night... Life wouldnt be easy for such kids... but it is a better option, than they being illitrate for the rest of their lives! That is the point...

The crux of the argument being... "Something is better than nothing"

Do think of it rationally! :smile:
 
I think rationally, and practically..

The crux of the argument being... "Something is better than nothing"
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It would be easy for you to say that sitting in the comfort of your houses.

Practically, no child would want to slog his ass off and then again be hammered with literature. It would be like a jail .

You say
he is able to earn his living, study, play and develop... and enjoy the company of other such children.
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Does he need to earn a living at that age ?? Can he study after that much work.. Mind you.. we are talking about a kid here... Play ?? out of question ...

Enjoy the company of other such children ??

Do people in jail enjoy each others company ??

The thought is rational but not practical.

Hence i suggested something better in my second post above.
 
hmm......i am suggesting the inclusion of those kids who have to earn a living anyway... for one it depends on how you define child labour. In our country it is defined as being engaged in "a hazardous activity" ... which means the kids working in paan and chai shops are not considered to be engaged in child labour , so to make goods for local consumption shouldnt be a problem legally.... take the shivkashi firecrackers factories for eg. , how many children are working there... , these QR's are enforced in not every country and that too for specific goods , for eg. if we make carpets then we have to have a rug mark to export it , but if we make greeting cards then we can export to the USA w/o any problems... i did mention that we needed to choose the operating areas carefully, now this all depends on how u define child labour ,

lets make the schedule of an avg. day for a avg. kid in the school

6 AM - kid gets up
till 8 - gets ready
8 - 12 - school classes
12-2 - rest , lunch
2-4 -woodworking class- makes handicrafts - this can be exported w/o problems to atleast the european countries i guess

4-6 - gardening - works in his garden plot , each kid gets his own , the produce used in the school mess , the extra , which should be substantial transported to the nearby urban market for sale

6-8 drawing class - makes greeting cards , which can be sold anywhere in the world , uses recycle paper

8 - 10 recreation

10 - goes to sleep

now this is just an average day here , the key is to give them freedom as they get better at things... the age for child labout is 7-14 , by the time a kid gets to 8th class he is out of that league , then he can specilize at what he is best at , be in woodworking or drawing .... I think we have a very poor attitude in India towards manual labour , we consider it demeaning , but it actually isnt so... i remember morgan freeman saying in the movie ' bruce almighty ' that " Some of the happiest people in the world go home tired " ....

A lot of the problems in our education system stem frm the fact that we are creating too many white coller workers , I can say for sure that u wont have white coller workers coming out of this school ..... apart frm that the alumni network would be amazingly strong becasue the students would owe everything to the school ... the school can belong to the community around it ...once again , if u make a child do something against his wishes it is child labour , but i you give him a choice it isnt ...and i am pretty sure that given a choice , none of the students of the school would leave it ... also u are not actually paying them any wages , they are partners in the profit made .... besides they are learning so much when they will discuss the problems they face while running their business .....

@kartik - i am pretty sure we can leave the decision to stay or leave to the kids , remember that these are kids who have never seen any hope in their life , i am pretty sure they will grab the opportunity as soon as it comes .... think of all these great men who were born orphans , who had to work through their childhood and they got to where they were , it is the difficulties we face that define who we become ... nothing in life would have coem easy for these kids , i dont think they would expect something easy here ...
er... i missed the nitties gritties again ... wl post soon....
cheers
CS
 
Darn.. I dont know where my post dissapeared ... mayb some login error :(

Jus to sum up my original long post which is nowher to be seen dwn here...

The time table is rigid.. doesnt work with a child.. the child is not to decide and parents will ofcourse force him to join such schools..

Hampers the development of the kid and puts way too much burden for a 10 yr old .

India doesnt need educated sterotyped robots trained to do a particular blue colored job. I would rather prefer India having uneducated zealous young red blodded people.

Mayb its just me but you need to think twice before putting the countrys future soldiers in jeopardy.
 
The way I think is that , we are actually choosing b/ween two lesser evils here ..... and i dont remember who it was but i remember someone who once said " when choosing b/ween two evils , i always like to try the one i havnt tried before " .... now if we take the time tables of city kids who are put under a lot of pressure these days by their parents to excel at studies and extra curriculars too , i think there wont be much difference,my cousin for eg. goes swimming in the morg. , then school , guitar and singing classes in the afternoon , the homework .. basically he works twice as hard as me and he is half as old ... does he have a choice ? i think not , his parents think he would be left behind by his peers if he would not do all this stuff..., neways i admit it isnt a perfect scheme ....
 
ch21599 said:
The way I think is that , we are actually choosing b/ween two lesser evils here ..... and i dont remember who it was but i remember someone who once said " when choosing b/ween two evils , i always like to try the one i havnt tried before " .... now if we take the time tables of city kids who are put under a lot of pressure these days by their parents to excel at studies and extra curriculars too , i think there wont be much difference,my cousin for eg. goes swimming in the morg. , then school , guitar and singing classes in the afternoon , the homework .. basically he works twice as hard as me and he is half as old ... does he have a choice ? i think not , his parents think he would be left behind by his peers if he would not do all this stuff..., neways i admit it isnt a perfect scheme ....
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i think ch21599, has said almost all i wanted to say.... Well kartik, the hardcore reality is that this life doesnt come easy to anyone. Survival has become increasingly difficult and it is only of the fittest. So u've to linger on.. slog and put in all u got.

I knw, it is not ethical... but trust me the poorest work from dawn to dusk. Lemme tell u, there was this rickshaw wallah who told me his story... that how he grew up in the village and when he came to the city... he used to start working by delivering milk to people's houses and then he used to sit in the shop till the evening after which, he had to do some other work. He used to get up like 5 in the morning and then go home only by 10-11 in the night. This is the plight of many people and all this at the age of 13..

So u can see... life is very tough for all... but with such institutes,we atleast give them a chance to earn and learn, which would be better.... It would be -ve, yet lesser....
 
yeah , i am done wid the topic , sometime when i get settled in life i might take this thing up ... thanks for the comments guys .... lets move on to something else ... wl start a new idea thread now
 
b4 startin a new thread, think y does a child work to earn money --> bcos they are poor--> they are poor bcos their parents hav nuthing to do and just keep on reproduciing and think once they bcome big they will have many hands and will get income but then they dnt think growing them pup is a big challenge... well they cant think abt tht cause they r not educated.... they are not educated bcos our educational system is not proper... our educational system is not proper bcos our politicians dnt think much and are corrupt.... they are ruling us bcos we hav voted for them....... and we hav voted for them bcos no one steps out and says tht i will try to improve the mess the country is in..... well i am sitting here and sayin all this but am not doin anything so i am guilty but uall also are equal partners in crime... so first of all change this change yourself... and see the change in this country..... these ISBs is not a good idea y shud we ruin the innocent childhood of these kids.. they can wrk when they r old enuf to understand....... so first of all educate them..... and give employment to thier parents not the kids...




well bahot boldiya..... lekin kya maine galtbola ????
 
nahi... tussi ek dum sahi boleyo... lekin think this... we have a problem at our hand... If we can't choose the lesser of the two evils, then we r choosing the greater of the two evils, bcoz u cant kill this evil completely!

So what do u do then... think about it!

Signing off for now!
 
what is evil ?????????????? its what we decide and which is the result of certain circumstances... why to let these circumstances happen?? so do something tht is useful in the macro level
 
Quite a philosophical statement..... but i guess u still have to do a little catching up from the previous posts!
 
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