India vs. China




India and China are frequently mentioned in the same breath; they are neighbours, both have populations of more than a billion, both have enjoyed fast growth in recent years contributing a joint 30% to global growth since 2001, and both are poised to be in the world’s three largest economies in the twenty-first century. But to date their impact on the commodity markets has been quite different.

For most commodities Chinese demand far outweighs that of India. China is the world’s number one consumer of all the major base metals and either first or second (after the U.S.) for most of the energy markets and agricultural products, (with the notable exception of coffee where it is ranked 45th).

Meanwhile India’s ranking generally hovers between five and fifteen for the major metals. It has a greater presence in energy and agricultural commodities, generally ranking in the top half dozen. The Indian production base for agricultural commodities is large but its international trade is modest.

Typically however China, which has a population which is 20% more than India’s but three times the GDP, consumes anywhere from six to twenty times as much as India in metals, two to five times as much energy and more than twice as much cotton and rubber.

The only exceptions to Chinese supremacy over India are in the tea and sugar markets and in gold and diamonds. India is the world’s largest consumer of gold accounting for 23% of world demand in 2005, and it is the third largest consumer of diamonds after the U.S. and Japan.



Why Are India and China so Different?

A book published recently by Edward Luce, the Financial Times’ bureau chief for South Asia from 2001-2005, suggests some interesting answers as to why the two countries are so different despite starting at a similar state of development some 50 years ago when they had roughly equal incomes per head (and also much the same as Korea’s).

The rather long-winded title of the book, “In Spite of the Gods: The Strange Rise of Modern India,” is also its main thesis; the rise of modern India has been unusual. While India is now expanding rapidly, and has been since 1991, it has not followed the typical developmental pattern of most countries.

China has developed in much the same sequence as most western economies have done. It began with agricultural reform, moved to low-cost manufacturing, is now climbing up the value-added chain and will probably eventually break into the internationally tradeable services on a large scale.

India meanwhile has grown from the other end. The service sector was more than half the economy in 2006, a similar figure to mature economies, yet there has been no agricultural reform (India’s average yield per hectare is half that of China) and no broad-based industrial revolution.

The country’s economy is now booming but it is a lop-sided or a multi-speed economy. The images of the new Indian economy, with its successful IT sector, its offshore call centres, its Bollywood film industry and its successful communities outside India in the U.S., U.K. and elsewhere, (there are several thousand Indian millionaires in Silicon Valley), are indeed a reality. But they are only a small part of the whole picture.

The GDP per capita in India is still just over $700 compared to China’s $1,700, (Korea’s $16,000 and the U.S.’s $44,000). India is home to over a third of the world’s malnourished children. The average life expectancy (63 years) and literacy rate (61% of adults) are well behind those of other developing countries; in China for example the life expectancy is 71 years while 91% of the adult population are literate.

As Luce points out less than 7% of India’s 430 million strong labour force is in the formal economy, and only 35 million pay income tax. The remainder are in the villages, “milking the cow, making up the armies of mobile casual farm workers, running street stalls etc.” Twenty-one million of the 35 million people working in the formal sector are employed by the government leaving just 14 million in the private sector of which just one million are in IT. Seven million work in the manufacturing sector compared with 100 million in China.

So why it is thus? Why has the service sector been so successful and why is the manufacturing sector so small? It is not possible here to begin to do justice to the full historical, religious, economic and political analysis presented by Luce, or to his assessment of the enduring legacy left by three key figures of the twentieth century; Gandhi (who among many other things was anti-materialist and saw the village as the building block of society), Nehru (who sought to build a self-sufficient state-dominated economy) and Ambedkar. But a few points should be noted.

Luce writes, for example, about the importance of the English language. Since India’s middle classes speak English this has given India a huge competitive advantage over China in the service sector where the ability to converse in the world’s business language makes a big difference.

The success of the service sector can also be attributed to the historic allocation of the education budget, with equal measures devoted to universities and primary education. This has resulted in a society with a highly educated elite but a poorly educated majority. India produces a million engineering graduates every year (compared to 100,000 in the U.S.) but its literacy rate is under 65%. China by contrast has invested much more heavily in elementary schooling for those at the bottom of the social ladder.

According to Luce the Indian manufacturing sector though small is nonetheless competitive and strong. He cites examples in the pharmaceutical and biotech sectors, Tata Steel (turnover $4 billion+) which supplies high quality steel for export, and Gokaldas Exports which manufactures two million garments per month for brand labels around the world. Both of the latter use complex capital- intensive manufacturing and are very flexible, but both have been constrained by labour laws, taxes, bureaucracy; and in the textile example, by regulations to fragment the production lines so that each line is small.

So Will India Be the New China for Commodities?

The growth rate of India has broadly doubled since 1991 when India sharply altered its economic course by dismantling a tight system of controls. It is now growing at 6%-7% pa which is behind China’s growth rate (which is closer to 10%) so it is not yet catching up with China, though it is with most of the rest of the world.

However there are plenty of examples already of what can happen as Indian demand for a product explodes. Take mobile phones. In 2000 India had just 3 million mobile phone users while China was adding that number every month to its subscriber base. By the end of 2005 India had 100 million users and was expanding at rate of 4 million per month. Or take diamonds. The market has trebled in just ten years.

Looking ahead Luce forsees many challenges for India to overcome. Besides the overriding need to lift 300 million people out of poverty, he lists challenges related to environmental degradation, Aids and in protecting India’s democracy. But he cites an awareness among policy markets that the best way to cure poverty is through accelerating economic growth.

However Luce also lists a number of opportunities and colossal advantages that India enjoys. Firstly the demographic profile is favourable. From 2010 China’s dependency ratio – the proportion of China’s working-age population to the rest - will start to deteriorate. India’s, by contrast will improve until the 2040s. In the next 20 years the proportion of dependents to workers will fall from 60% of the population to 50% which will give the economy a large ‘demographic dividend’. In 2032 India is projected to overtake China to become the most populous country in the world.

The higher workforce will also boost the savings ratio which will lift investment which in turn will boost economic growth. Already the savings rate has improving from 18% of GDP in 1990 to 26% in 2006. At this level it is still well below China’s 40%, but China’s is falling while India’s is improving. India is projected to overtake Japan as the world’s third largest economy in the 2020s.

Luce’s conclusion is that India is not on autopilot to greatness, but that it would take an incompetent pilot to crash the plane. He asks too whether the Indian tortoise will overtake the Chinese hare? For the investor in resources the question about which country will be the larger consumer is perhaps academic.

India won’t be the new China for commodities tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. It still has a long way to go. But it is already becoming a major consumer of commodities, it has the scale as shown already in the gold sector to be number one, it is gaining momentum all the time, and it looks set to be a crucial prop for the supercycle and commodity prices in the decades to come.
 

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BOMBAY (ResourceInvestor.com) -- The recent article “India vs. China” by Jackie Steinitz makes great reading, but sadly, it is based on many wrong assumptions.

Coming straight to the subject matter about whether India will consume as much resources as China, let me make bold to say that there is no chance of that happening for the foreseeable future. India and China may be frequently mentioned in the same breath; both may have populations of more than a billion; both might have enjoyed fast growth in recent years; but their impact on the commodity markets will be remarkably different during the years and decades to come. Indian consumption won't be a patch on that of China.

India may become major consumer but only of the agricultural commodities. As of now India imports about 3 million tonnes of pulses and 5 million tonnes of edible oils from abroad, as well as some spices. India may also continue to be a regular importer of wheat, as its farm fields are unable to meet the growing requirements. These consumptions may continue to be there since the population needs them for sustenance, but so far as the consumption of copper, aluminium, zinc, nickel, steel and crude oil is concerned, there is little chance of India ever going on up on China.

This is not without reasons. China is consuming base metals and energy because it is producing DVD players, digital cameras, transistors, computers, furniture and a whole lot of white goods and consumables for the entire world. India is not doing that. In fact India is increasingly importing all these items from China. As of today a whole lot of locks, clocks, batteries, torches, watches, sunglasses, wallets, table ware and million other small items of daily use in India are imported from China. Street vendors in India often sell nothing apart from the cheap knick-knacks so lovingly imported from across the Himalayas. Since India is not the factory of the world, there is little chance of it upping its consumption dramatically.

Yet another reason why India can't become China in resource consumption is the fact that there are vast differences between the two economies, and both cannot be equated. While China boasts of a $2.2 trillion economy, India is struggling with its $775 billion GDP. Even if the growth rates seem to be similar in two countries, in absolute numbers China is adding many more billion dollars to its GDP every year compared to what India manages. More than anything, the grass-root economic condition of the two countries is vastly different.

To begin with the rural Indian economy is in a shambles. Of the 89.35 million farm households, according to a World Bank report, 43.42 million are in debt, with Andhra Pradesh farmers topping the indebtedness percentage at 82% to be followed by Tamil Nadu at 74.5%.

The rural indebtedness is so grotesque that there are villages where each and every inhabitant is having debts which he can't pay off; there are villages where the people have sought permission from the President of India to commit mass-scale suicide due to debts; and there are villages where marriages are being postponed and children are being pulled out of schools simply because the parents have no net worth left. As can be understood, these Indians are not going to be able to propel commodity consumption.

Forget the villagers, farmers, and down-and-outs, even the rich or so called middle class Indians are not really as consumerist as the world would believe them to be. Jackie Steinitz has rightly pointed out that only 35 million Indians pay the taxes, and here it must be mentioned that even these 35 million are not exactly rich in the sense of the Western definition. So many of them never take any holidays; so many of them never travel or own a car or replace their sofa sets once every year. Many live in simple houses; many eat frugal food; many wear simpler clothes. Millions upon millions of these middle classers have never set foot inside a deluxe restaurant, or taken a decent holiday or bought a T-shirt at Benetton.

The consumption of material goods is high only in the nouveau rich, those who have grown rich during last 10-15 years. These highly paid professionals have so far not known financial difficulties, and they don't know how to exercise restraint, thus making them consumerists in true sense, as the Western world knows. But this segment amounts to no more than a couple of million people, and they can't consume resources to match that of China.

It is true that India has made good progress in certain sectors, but that progress doesn't mean entire Indian story is as shining as it is made out to be. Simultaneously, the example of mobile phones is a wrong example of exploding demand, simply because mobile phone has been a cutting edge technology, and wherever it has been launched, it's demand has exploded. And yet the penetration of mobile phones in India is far, far lesser than in other countries. In the U.S. for example virtually everybody owns a phone, ditto in Europe; in China one out of two people own a mobile while in India only one out of 10 do.

Coming to the subject of the opportunities and colossal advantages that India enjoys, let it be said that while on the face India's demographic profile may look more favourable, but if you dig the surface, it doesn't look all that encouraging. Why? Because tens of millions of young children and adolescent boys/girls are malnourished. According to the latest report of Washington-based International Food Policy Institute (IFPRI) India ranks 3rd from bottom of the world on malnourished kids.

The report claims that on the Global Hunger Index, India ranks 117th for the prevalence of underweight children. Although India has an image of an emerging superpower, only Bangladesh and Nepal are worse-off. The proportion of children found underweight in India, according to the study, is 47.5%, which makes it worse than conflict-plagued, drought-stricken Sub-Saharan Africa, where the figure is some 30% on average. India's figure is also worse than that of individual Sub-Saharan countries.

With one-third of the babies born in India having low birth weight, compared to one-sixth in sub-Saharan Africa, it doesn't need an emphasis, their future is already doomed at the time of birth, leave alone them building the nation's future. It goes without saying, the proportion of China's working-age population to the rest may begin to deteriorate, but India certainly is not going to have any advantage on that front.

Having said that, I must add here that even the fit and fine youngsters are not necessarily going to add up to the Indian GDP. Why? Because of the lack of education. It is a well-known fact that more than 70 million children in India right now are serving as child labour. As can be understood, these unfortunate youngsters are not going to have any real chance coming their way to hone their skills or improve their education or raise their productivity/efficiency. Thus they can't provide there any real contribution to the GDP apart from doing menial jobs.

And last but not the least, those youngsters who are lucky enough to have the good health as well as the benefit of schooling, are also not just the champions of efficiency. The quality of education is so horrible that a whole lot of them are unemployable. Kiran Karnik, President of National Association of Software and Services Companies often talks of how out “of the total available pool of engineering professionals, barely 20% is employable.”

Echoing the sentiment, Jaggi Vasudev, a spiritual guru, recently said in an interview, “those who boast of India 's 25 million graduates are living in a fool's paradise. Look at their quality. You can't employ most of them, even for domestic help.”

Of course, India has to overcome other monumental challenges like AIDS (Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome). While protecting India's democracy is not at all a problem, overcoming AIDS problem seems an uphill task, for sure. As of right now, India has the largest number of AIDS patients in the world (India has that uncanny ability to be at the top in most avoidable lists). According to the latest surveys, India is home to about 5.7 million cases, and here I must add that these are government figures, certainly not the most reliable source. India has recently overtaken South Africa to claim the number one slot.

How AIDS can wreck havoc on Indian society and economy? In more ways than one. To begin with, the personal tragedy that AIDS wreaks could translate into lost output and slower growth at the level of the nation. A joint study by the National AIDS Control Organisation (Naco), United Nations Development Programme and the National Council for Applied Economic Research estimates that AIDS could lower India's real GDP growth rate by as much as 0.9 percentage point. The growth of per capita income would, in turn be depressed by 0.56%.

The prevalence of HIV infection, which can lead to AIDS, is estimated at 0.9% of the adult population (5.2 million at the end of 2005). The study estimates that the number could increase rapidly over the next one and a half decades, reaching 20-25 million as early as in 2010.

This would hurt growth in a variety of ways; not only it would reduce the supply of labour but also make the productivity suffer. Additionally, the “Savings of households and of the government would come down, as expenditure on treating HIV-AIDS mounts, both at individual and governmental levels.”

According to the report, “Household incomes are likely to come down most sharply for rural non-agricultural self employed, followed by rural agricultural labour, rural non-agricultural labour, rural agricultural self-employed and urban casual labour.”

All these sections are some of the poorest blocks of the Indian society, and are known as unskilled labour providers. One can only imagine the frightening scenario about what will happen to the rural Indian GDP growth if this ground force is down with AIDS epidemic.

The idea of India overtaking China has in fact even been rubbished by the comrades of the Red country. China has dismissed global forecasts that a democratic India will overtake the Communist giant on the economic front by 2020, saying those predictions lacked 'statistical evidence.'

According to a recent report in Press Trust of India, “There is a prevailing belief in the international community that India will overtake China by 2020. This statement lacks statistical evidence,” said Secretary-General of the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade (CCPIT), Wang Jinzhen.

Reacting to some global experts who likened China and India to the tortoise and the hare in Aesop's famous fable, Jinzhen said, “To use the analogy of the race between the tortoise and the hare for the competition between China and India is fantastic.”

“Only when the hare (China) naps does the tortoise (India) overtake the hare. China will never 'nap' in the process of its economic development,” he told People's Daily.

The conclusion: while India is certainly not on autopilot to greatness, sadly, it is flying only with incompetent pilots, thus the chances of a crash are extremely high. Translated in simple English: India won't consume commodities as voraciously as the Chines
 
India to top China's GDP growth

India to top China's GDP growth



‘India vs China’ is the classic Asian clash that market hungry global MNCs have been studying very closely for over a decade. And now for the first time ever, one international financial agency predicts that the Elephant is all set to out pace the dragon.

Credit Suisse predicts

Global financial powerhouse Credit Suisse has revised its GDP growth projection for India and China for the year 2007. And while China is expected be almost stagnant at 9.9%, India is expected to beat the dragon with a whopping 10% growth in GDP:
In two years (2008)
India’s GDP: 10.5%
China’s GDP: 10.2%



Credit Suisse is bullish on India due to the strong domestic consumption story, whereas on the other hand China has been consciously trying to cool down its economy this year.


Explains Arjuna Mahadevan, Chief Economist at Credit Suisse: “Private equity and venture capitalists - all these conduits are bringing in foreign capital and positioning themselves to enter physical construction of infrastructure, property and all these sorts of projects. So we think that you are going to see the fruition of a lot of these initial projects next year. And that is really what is going to add this big lump of additional GDP growth in India.”

But while the projections may sound nice, achieving this growth its not going to be all that easy.

The hurdles

For starters, China has always supported its exports by managing its currency, making them much cheaper than Indian goods. Then, there is the problem of infrastructure where India is lagging far behind. Next, one must keep in mind foreign direct investment – even if Chinese growth does slow down a bit, the country receives 10 times more FDI than India.

“I don't think this is race for who can grow faster than the other, I think what's important is we are growing at a pretty good rate because of having done certain things right. Historically India has always trailed China in GDP growth,” says Subir Gokharan

Historically, India has always trailed China in GDP growth, though the gap has been narrowing in recent times. The latest figures show India posting a robust 9.2 percent growth in September, while China stands at 10.4%.

However though GDP growth figures may look impressive, they cannot gloss over the larger ground level concerns that exist in the Indian economy. So while India might overtake China in terms of GDP growth next year, it will probably take a while longer for Mumbai to turn into Shanghai.

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'India to outperform China'

'India to outperform China'



WASHINGTON, DECEMBER 19: India and China, which have been growing rapidly in a relatively favourable external environment so far, have to come to terms with some critical problems in their financial systems, say experts.

But with the world economy likely to slow down, China may face a potentially large number of new defaults on non-performing loans, Jahangir Aziz, the China division head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), has said.

A key reason for this, he said, could be falling consumption in the world's most populous nation, which had been expanding on the back of rapid investment and trade surpluses.

"The question is, can China keep on expanding its export markets without seeing a rise in protectionist pressures or more stiffer price competition from its competitors in a world economy, which is not growing as fast as it used to in the past few years," he posed.

They "could lead to a potentially large number of new loan defaults on non-performing loans" and "an adverse banking sector," Aziz said, at the launch of two new IMF books on the expanding role of China and India in the world economy, in Washington.

The threat facing China came at a "very unfortunate time" as Beijing had just completed or was almost to complete a very large recapitalization of the banking system.

"If this banking system is now faced with another spate of new non-performing loans, then that is going to push back the reforms that took place over the last few years," he said.

But Aziz pointed out that Beijing was aware of these issues and implementing reforms, which "might actually work and China just may not have another crisis."

India, on the other hand, may see an end to its dangerous living with high fiscal deficits amid the expected slowdown, another expert told the forum. The country's fiscal deficit in the last financial year was 4.1 per cent of gross domestic product.

A major challenge is whether India could absorb a possible shift in the global environment, which has been largely "benign" in recent years, T N Srinivasan, professor of economics at Yale University, said.

"High fiscal deficits did not create a crisis in my view largely because of this global benign environment...that masked the otherwise pernicious effect of high fiscal deficits," he said.

Another "concern," he said, was that India's public sector owned 75 per cent of the assets of the banking system.

"This, in my view, is too large to have any credible way of market controlling the behaviour of the banks, and so there I would urge more disinvestment of public assets in the banking system," he said. Noting that India is still is one of the most protected economies in the developing world, Srinivasan also called for a firm commitment from India on making its rupee currency fully convertible.

"I am for committing to the full convertibility of the rupee in five years. If you do not commit yourselves you will never do the reforms at the pace that is needed to do in the financial sector," he said.

In the first half of this fiscal year, India has been growing at 9.2 per cent compared with about 10.4 percent in China. While the two countries face very different challenges, Pei Minxin of Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a Washington-based think tank, said India could outperform China in the next decade.

"If I have to pick and choose, I would pick India as the country that is most likely to outperform China in the next decade or so, probably even longer," he said.

Pei forecast that overinvestment in China could lead to overcapacity and a "massive problem of nonperforming loans and that triggers financial panic".

"The next round of banking crisis, if it takes place given the massive explosion of credit in China in the last five years, probably will not be much smaller than a trillion dollars," he said.
 
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